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Occupy Wall Street. Oct 1st, 2011

The first person I saw to be detained. About four more people later, I was next in line.

This was the last photograph I was able to take clearly.


Photo (c) by ME.
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The First One Down by ~KatTheMongoose

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insomniholic Featured By Owner Dec 8, 2011
lol hippies
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KatTheMongoose Featured By Owner Dec 8, 2011
Never heard that one before

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Kyrelimit Featured By Owner Dec 2, 2011  Professional General Artist
Might I ask what happened when they arrested you ? What happened afterwards ?

Im a member of the South African Occupy Group and I want to make sure we are all safe. :)
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KatTheMongoose Featured By Owner Dec 2, 2011
Well, my officer was very good to me; she kepts me well informed of why I was being detained and made sure I was alright. Apparently I wasn't charged with anything worthy of it being on files: I just committed violations. So they held me at a station in the processing room where I could see everything and once they got my summonses ready I was free to go.
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EEHills Featured By Owner Nov 6, 2011  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Good for you. Thank you.
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SCROx2 Featured By Owner Nov 3, 2011  Hobbyist General Artist
Nice picture, good emotion.. Thought I'm not really a fan of this "Occupy Wall Street" movement..
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SparkOut1911 Featured By Owner Oct 11, 2011   Digital Artist
I refuse to be involved in this. It's no more than fresh out of school college students who have been spoon fed everything they have ever had. They had some grand illusion of what life was supposed to be like after college and because it didn't live up to their expectations, they're upset. I feel no sympathy for them.
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GiftedElements Featured By Owner Dec 13, 2011  Student Writer
I'm guessing at least some of these people, however else they were brought up, were told that if they went to college, and did good in school, they'd have a good job, or at least be able to secure one. Enter the real world, they figure out that is indeed the exact opposite of true, and now everyone whose said "If you don't want to work a shit job, go to college." is now saying "If you weren't such entitled college kids, you'd get a shit job."

I'd be fucking upset too.
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SparkOut1911 Featured By Owner Dec 13, 2011   Digital Artist
Perhaps their parents should have been like mine. My dad didn't sugar coat anything when I was growing up. If you want it you worked for it. I earned my own car, I didn't have a cell phone until I turned 18 and had a job and could pay for it myself, as soon as I was able to I was helping to pay bills at the house. I guess my parents' tough love is why I'm succeeding while they are not. We live in a generation of entitlement. Yes the system is fucked up, yes life isn't fair, and all that good shit, but swinging blindly and bawling like a baby isn't the way to get what you want. Maybe it worked on their parents, but on the government? Not so much. Perhaps if they didn't waste those college grants and loans on useless degrees (liberal arts anyone?) then maybe they wouldn't be where they are. There are some that are going through with the purpose of "hey, rich people, quit buying our politicians and return democracy to the people." which I can agree with, but there are not enough of those people with sense to make a difference when everyone else is crying and begging for pity.

Why are we still on this? OWS is over by now right? I didn't keep up with it because I'm too busy, I dunno, WORKING?
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GiftedElements Featured By Owner Dec 14, 2011  Student Writer
That seems to be the problem isn't it? They're leaderless and thus a bunch of people blindingly trying to change things. It's not their fault they don't know how, no one does. Nothing's been REALLY changed by the people for a while now.

As for how their parents really raised them, or their thought processes for OWS, I really find assuming things to be completely useless. I don't know anything about them, and neither does anyone else, unless they happened to be friends with them during and before the whole thing.

I guess it's good for you if you have a job, It's not like the protesters had well-paid full time jobs before the Occupation started. I don't have a job but that's because I'm too young to get one even If I wanted it, which I did a year or so ago but now I really don't give a shit.
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razer145 Featured By Owner Oct 14, 2011
While there are some issues I'm not going to wade in on, because I don't have the necessary knowledge, one thing I can say fairly concretely is that raising the minimum wage will not save anything. It's an extremely short term solution to the long term problem of lower/lower middle class money troubles. The basic problem is this: raising the minimum wage raises the minimum cost of production for most of the basic industries (low level manufacturing i.e. parts, disposable products) which means those industries have to pass the cost on to their customers, who in turn pass that cost on, until the people that minimum wage increase was supposed to help are paying, proportionally, the same amount for the goods and services they require as they were before the increase. While that sort of thing looks great on paper, in the long run it causes problems.
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briwiso Featured By Owner Oct 14, 2011
I think that, often, people hate most in others what they hate in themselves: if you think that these protesters are "lazy" or "ungrateful," that may typically be more of a reflection of worries you have about yourself.

But I don't see how you can call these people lazy: [link]
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SparkOut1911 Featured By Owner Oct 14, 2011   Digital Artist
I have a full time job with good benefits so I'm not sure what you're getting at calling me out on some unseen insecurities. I'm pretty sure I mostly called them misguided and stupid. Sitting around at a protest without a clear message and just waitng on some miracle is a very poor misguided attempt to do... well... anything. They're doing nothing but dirtying up the area and getting in the way.
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briwiso Featured By Owner Oct 14, 2011
I'd also like to say that I think it's callous, and ludicrously naive, to assume that the thousands of protestors, the hundreds of thousands of people that have signed petitions to stand with them, the unions that stand with them, and people like the veterans for peace (who were brutally beaten in Boston), are all "college students who have been spoon fed everything they have ever had." I find the level of your vitriol in fitting with your myopically simplistic position.
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SparkOut1911 Featured By Owner Oct 14, 2011   Digital Artist
Okay for one, I'm not scared of your big words. Contrary to what you may think, it makes you sound like you are trying far too hard to be smart. For another perhaps I am cold-hearted and compassion-less but it's gotten me much further in life than some of those people now hasn't it? Now going back to being serious: I'm not saying that their hearts aren't in the right place but they simply don't have the brains or the political understanding to pull off something of this nature. The long list of demands makes this more difficult, not only that, but what's to say that these demands are even good ideas? Either way ,things are much more easily digested when taken one at a time. (or when force fed one at a time as the case may be.)

So what's this protest mainly about? The biggest thing I've heard is "corporate greed." Boo hoo corporate greed, let's end it. Yeah whatever. It's never going to happen; you know why? Because "greed" is a monster that has existed since the very beginning of man kind and possibly even before that. You'll never end it. For another, these CEO's get this money from the businesses that they OWN. This is a free country and I doubt you would like it any better than they would if someone told you what you could and couldn't do with YOUR money. Before you go and take away their freedoms think about what freedoms of your own you will be sacrificing later when politics decides that that method works on the smaller guy too.

Unions I don't agree with. The kinds of people that believe so fully in unions are the same people that contributed to this downfall. Some of these companies you're not even being underpaid from, because they are outsourcing. Do you have any idea why they outsource? Because some union made it so that Jim Bob can't be paid any less than $25 an hour to do a job that a circus chimp could do. In short, they pushed a little too much. So thank you unions for making outsourcing look so damn good and taking jobs away from hard working Americans. Maybe protesting specifically on better laws pertaining to outsourcing would help more than the jumbled and ridiculously long list of demands that this "occupy wall street" is trying to get. I can't stress more. ONE THING AT A FUCKING TIME.

Now that I'm thinking of manufacturing I suppose I should bring this up. It's pretty well-known that in America, we seem to import too much and export too little. There are tough restrictions on manufacturing, which if some of them were lifted, could create more jobs. South Carolina for example, said "fuck you" to Washington DC and against federal wishes, began to manufacture their own light bulbs. This created at least some jobs for the people of that state. Unfortunately they can't sell their light bulbs outside of SC thanks to government restrictions so that company will probably never grow very large. I'm sure there are many similar stories throughout the nation. Wouldn't you like to see small companies like this grow? They could grow and offer competitive wadges, which would force these bigger corporations to raise their wadges to keep what workforce they have if they have any at all here. Again,a doable and reasonable change that would help in the long run, but it wouldn't happen over night.

The point I'm trying to make here, are that these people need to get their head out of the clouds and come back down to earth. What they are doing is very short-sighted.
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briwiso Featured By Owner Oct 14, 2011
I will try to use smaller words. I appreciate that you can at least concede that their hearts are in the right places, although you more than make up for it by disrespecting these people and their positions in any other number of ways.

South Carolina said "fuck you" to DC? Really? South Carolina, who, like most red states, is ostensibly against raising those big bad federal tax rates, yet receives 135% back, for every dollar it pays in? That South Carolina?

I think that the protestors believe, as do I, that altering the top marginal tax rates on the uppermost echelon of "earners" back to the Clinton boom era does not constitute socialism, nor will it impede on their "rights." I don't understand people that would take the contrary view, yet don't see anything wrong with the systematic inequality that has all but annihilated the tens of millions that used to comprise the middle class. In real terms or theoretical, wage slavery is not freedom.

You paradoxically (that means weirdly) seem to admit that corporate heads are duplicitous, greedy criminals? But that because that's a natural part of human nature, there should be no effort to regulate their natural impulses? Some people get horny, do you also not think there should be regulations prohibiting rape...?

Last year I made (and lived off of) 10k, no benefits, and I paid more taxes (in gross terms, not percentage!) than General Electric did - do you think that's right...?

Seriously though, Occupy Wall Street-ers are fighting for, among many other things, a raise in the minimum wage and the implementation of a Tobin Tax, which are much more concrete than any vague notions of corporate greed. They have real concerns and real strategies, if you're willing to listen. That said, strategies and understandings obviously vary widely, but I think anyone in the world will agree that decisions shouldn't be left to anyone who would readily admit to being cold-hearted and compassionless.

Anyway.

Let's not argue on the internet anymore - you win. You're free to yell and stamp further (like these people you hate), but I think it's a downer.
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SparkOut1911 Featured By Owner Oct 14, 2011   Digital Artist
Rape and doing what you want with your money are two completely different things. Wow you really left wing weirdos and blowing things out of proportion. I am not saying that businesses should not pay taxes in proportion to what they make, and I even admitted that it's wrong for them to spend their money all on themselves but since SPENDING MONEY is legal and rape isn't I guess that's where business owners aren't despicable criminals. (compare rape to poorly managed money again and I swear I will not be an inkling as nice as I have been so far. You can go to hell for that statement, it was in poor taste.)

If taxing the rich is what these people are protesting for then why don't they sum it up as that instead of pushing topics every which way? My biggest point is THEY NEED TO PICK ONE THING AT A TIME TO FIGHT FOR. You keep saying "such and such a topic is what they are fighting for, among many other things." It is unreasonable to demand a million things and expect them all to be fulfilled within a short margin of time. Especially when your biggest weapon is a protest full of thoughtless sheep, most of whom, don't even know what they are there for. Whatever you believe or whatever you think I'm wrong about (and however heartless you think I am.) One thing I know for certain, is that they have no leadership and they are poorly organized. They need to take things one thing at a time and they need a leader or leaders with the backbone to step up and take charge. Their strategies and understandings should not "vary widely" if they hope to effectively achieve anything. THAT is what makes them hopeless and stupid even if their intentions are good. Right now all they are doing is yelling, getting beaten up by cops, and littering.
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briwiso Featured By Owner Oct 14, 2011
A full time job with good benefits is precisely what most of these people don't have: tens of millions of people are working for minimum wage, which has remained at an almost static level for half a century, while inflation has sky-rocketed and it's no longer a living wage: people are living paycheck to paycheck, typically without any form of health insurance, and if they have one major medical issue during their entire lifetime (which, statistically, most will), they're fucked for life (if they live, which they probably won't). It would be one thing if companies couldn't afford to pay people more, but on the contrary, the wealth disparity in America is at an all time high, on par with only third-world countries, and CEOs enjoy record bonuses. Why would you NOT protest conditions like these...? Are you that cold-hearted and compassionless, that you assume that everyone who's not as fortunate as you must deserve having to choose between paying rent and eating? That poor people are just "lazy"?

This is an organic, populous uprising, and if it doesn't seem like it has a politically expedient and convenient sound-byte-sized set of demands, that's because it doesn't. These peoples' frustrations are beyond that: what they want is simply to be heard, but many refuse to listen.
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SparkOut1911 Featured By Owner Oct 14, 2011   Digital Artist
Oh and by the way. I've had my fair share of ups and downs, I know what the world is like and I know what doesn't fix it. And screaming will do none of these people any good if no one knows what they are screaming about. There's also a giant lack of leadership in this group, which doesn't surprise me considering the people in it.
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KatTheMongoose Featured By Owner Oct 11, 2011
But its not just them & its not just that issue at hand. Others down at the protest were against the war, prejudice towards others, and how they're is a form of corruption in the government. Its not just about jobs or college students. There are also those who already went through school and because of the issues at hand are in the situations they are in now. I've seen 'Grandmothers Against War' down there at the park. There is a mix of ages down there, from young to elderly, who (in my opinion) just want to have a stable future.

I'm not against you or anything, but I'm just not fond with the idea that the idea of everything is 'college children facing reality'.
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SparkOut1911 Featured By Owner Oct 11, 2011   Digital Artist
So then what is this all about exactly because no one has been able to give me a straight answer since I started asking questions. I know people going through college and having went through college are having a hard time finding jobs. That's nothing new. But do you honestly believe that further damaging the economy of a particular area is going to help?
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KatTheMongoose Featured By Owner Oct 11, 2011
I understand the whole 'looking for a straight answer' thing, because when I first went down there, I only had an idea of what a few groups were fighting for:

I believe the main issue is the amounts of corruption within the government. Then there are the other issues that go along side it, such as 'end the war', 'end racisim', etc. There are some companies that are sending their factories over seas which makes it difficult for anyone (both fresh out of college and already out of college) to find jobs.

There are some things that I myself disagree with. In a sense, one of the main things amoungst the group is 'tax the rich' for that those in the middle class area are undergoing great difficulties financially. Some people I met down at the park are losing their homes, in debt, or live in shelters and can't find jobs or don't have money. Some of these people are with families, retired, jobless and the list goes on.

I'm pretty sure at this rate I just rambled, so if something still seems unclear please let me know.

In a nutshell, the way my mother explained it to me, is that they are people who want a stable future.
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SparkOut1911 Featured By Owner Oct 11, 2011   Digital Artist
Well to me it sounds like none of them have the same ideas really. They don't know what they are there for, they are just there waiting on some miracle to happen because it sounded like a good thing to do at the time. I don't agree with social equality. The idea of freedom is that we are all born equal, your life is what you make it and only you have the ability to change it. Some of these people sound like they only want someone to blame for their misfortune while others may genuinely be there to protest some government corruption. In general though, what they are doing isn't helping a thing since a straight message can't be given for everyone present. They may as well pack up and go home and stop blocking up the street until they can actually find a solid unanimous reason to be there, otherwise taking up space is all they are doing. Perhaps they should protest to get better laws and restrictions for outsourcing to keep jobs in America instead of shipping them out. That sounds much better than "Something about corporate greed, I'm not sure..." or "social equality." Some of the ideas I've heard them spew are those ideas that sound good on paper but are really awful when implemented.

Sorry if I'm a pessimist, I do often play devil's advocate but I like to make people think.
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bulletproofideass Featured By Owner Oct 7, 2011
Please note that the Final "s" in my username was NOT intended to mean anything! ^^;
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superawesome1121 Featured By Owner Oct 6, 2011
I'm involved with the protest in my city!
It's crazy how these protest have spread... over 248 communities and cities involved.
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partie-premiere Featured By Owner Oct 4, 2011
omg, people really should see this! the wristwatch guy is totally groping the detained on the butt!
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partie-premiere Featured By Owner Oct 4, 2011
no, but seriously, it's a striking photo and amazingly captured
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Kenichi2point0 Featured By Owner Oct 4, 2011
I appreciate what you went through to get this image to the rest of us. A real patriot SHOULD criticize the immoral practices of his country if that's what it takes to fix it.
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YouniquelyChic Featured By Owner Oct 4, 2011  Professional Artisan Crafter
Wonderful shot! For those of us who know what is going on you captured it perfectly! Bravo!
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KittyChow Featured By Owner Oct 4, 2011  Student Artisan Crafter
just makes you think about it, i always feel down. v,v great pic~
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lostloveart Featured By Owner Oct 4, 2011  Hobbyist Photographer
great pic
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Bebopboy Featured By Owner Oct 4, 2011
Nice job, photojournalism at its best.
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avoe Featured By Owner Oct 4, 2011
many thanks for sharing this image
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GunslingerDeSchaine Featured By Owner Oct 4, 2011
Great shot. Glad you were able to get it before you got the flexcuffs.

I agree with the peoples right to protest, hell, I've been in a few. But, I really dont see how blocking a major artery into a city gets the point across. The biggest group of people that would be hurt by this is actually the main group that the protestors were speaking for: middleclass working stiffs (again, such as myself). Being NYC... I'm surprised no one got run over, or at least I havent heard of it.
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DiableHaven Featured By Owner Oct 4, 2011  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I understand that the gap between the rich and the poor is great but it is not only the economies fault but the peoples. If 99% of the country owns 25% of the wealth then what are they doing by protesting but creating more problems. A free market economy is not what the world needs. The world needs a balanced economy with equal intervention by the gov't and the people. What we need to do is work together in a positive way to work up the economy. If you are so concerned about the 99% why take the day off work to protest when you could just use the money you would of made to help those in need?
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ScottDouglass Featured By Owner Oct 7, 2011  Hobbyist Photographer
I'm a bit naive on the current protests, but I've long resented corporate greed and it's fleecing of the blue-collar worker.

True, the blue-collar worker is giving up a few days' pay to lodge his choice of protest, but on the other hand, if the cause is just, and the form of protest effective, then it may well be money well spent.

As for the effectiveness of the particular choice of protest, I think the question raised in the comment above :devGunslinerDeSchaine: is a valid one to ponder. As with the typical "race riot" which does nothing but destroy the very community it claims to protect, it is wise to consider *who* actually bears the brunt of the chosen form of protest.

I don't live in NY and wouldn't know what closing the Brooklyn Bridge for part of a day would do to the average person compared to Corporate America, but I have to wonder how actually closing Wall Street would compare in impact as opposed to this protest.

All that being said, I agree, the average workers need to stand up in solidarity, and effectively, against the uncontested greed of corporate powerholders, who have been unscathed in this economy.
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Beatleboy62 Featured By Owner Oct 4, 2011
It's a nice thought, but that will never happen. Corporate greed, personal benefits, none of those were prevalent when the founding fathers created this country.
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Pandadrake Featured By Owner Oct 4, 2011
Said founding fathers were mostly slave owners.
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ScottDouglass Featured By Owner Oct 7, 2011  Hobbyist Photographer
And the right to vote, in the earliest days of this country, were based on ownership of land...
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DiableHaven Featured By Owner Oct 4, 2011  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I totally agree with you. We were just talking about this in social today and i thought i would add a little something i learnt. I guess i was talking more about an idealistic society rather than a society in which humans could actually function in.
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Nicole-Lyn2 Featured By Owner Oct 4, 2011  Hobbyist General Artist
Wonderful photo. I really do agree that you should submit it to Time or something along those lines. It's surprising how little attention the protesters on Wall Street are getting. I wish I could be part of the protest as well . . .
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AmongTheSatanic Featured By Owner Oct 4, 2011  Hobbyist Artist
Lack of true action results in detainment. Sadly.
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snakeeyeyellow Featured By Owner Oct 4, 2011
Sorry, I see some of the comments and obviously some people dont understand what is going on, just FYI for some of you:
Maybe some people do not understand that the people of this country are suffering in one way or another. We have kids at our school that are homeless, cant even afford to pay $2.40 for a lunch....they have to sleep in thier cars, they dont eat on the weekends. Voices of the people need to be heard. Thanks again for this post.
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snakeeyeyellow Featured By Owner Oct 4, 2011
wow. that is a powerful picture. good for you standing up! Glad you posted this so others can see.
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Sky-of-Silver Featured By Owner Oct 4, 2011  Student Digital Artist
Reminds me of a quotation from The Book Thief: "They were French, they were Jews, and they were you."
These are Americans. We are Americans (I can't speak for everyone here, but I know I am). Don't we have basic rights, as stated in the documents which were written at the birth of our country, to stand up to our government? To make America a better place?

This is a great shot, though!
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Asfodelo Featured By Owner Oct 4, 2011  Student General Artist
Congratulations, this is such a powerful shot!
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Yulynn Featured By Owner Oct 4, 2011  Student Digital Artist
hmm? what happened?
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iStrife Featured By Owner Oct 4, 2011
One may go, but more will take their place. The people are done being silent.
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goofoofighter Featured By Owner Oct 4, 2011  Professional General Artist
I heard about this on the radio this morning. I think it's ridiculous. I don't see how trying to shut down the stock market would help anything... And not only would it hurt our market, but the whole world's too. When the trade center was taken down in 9/11, it wasn't just our market that crashed.

Protesting some of the other things I can understand, but I thought this particular stand down was the wrong way to go about it...
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